Title edited: 2007 HoF Questions Continue

[scrapper chick]

Wow, just wow....
Hold on..I have to take a deep breath over this...I am in total shock.

Shock that not only was there one HOF that apparently didn't follow the rules and was DQd (Krista Contes)..but now there appears to be a second HOF'er that has not only ignored the rules but is lying about it? I am just floored.

Anastasia..I sincerely appreciate you bringing this information up on the CKMB--a better place to have it posted than on a veggie board (since CK is responsible for the HOF contest to begin with!). I thank you for keeping all of us in 'the loop'. You did a wonderful job of writing your comments and questions. The best I could come up (and I tried very hard to be diplomatic) with was "nope, not possible".

I'm sure that there are some on here that are tired of hearing about the entire HOF 2007 nightmare (and I would offer a word of advice--don't read those threads!), but there are just as many that are NOT aware of the situation (just look at how many CKMB subscribers there are! "We have 41157 registered users" (just copied from the front page of the mb). I congratulate you on bringing this latest situation to light and not keeping it hidden. More people need to know what's going on!

CK is a big company..a company that a great majority of scrappers 'give' money to (we purchase their product, we attend workshops, CKU's, etc etc etc). I think it's important for companies to be held accountable for their actions. In this case..CK sponsored a contest (THEIR own contest) with specific rules. When it was discovered that one of the HOF winners broke the rules...all other entries should have been reviewed. Equal action for equal action. In other words, if you DQ one for not following the rules, you DQ them all.

And for those that think this is a 'witch hunt'..I have this to say:

According to Merriam-Webster, a witch hunt is defined as: 1 : a searching out for persecution of persons accused of witchcraft
2 : the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (as political opponents) with unpopular views

Taking the first definition (literally, because how else can it be taken?)...I would say that no-there is not a witch hunt going on here with regards to the CK 2007 HOF scandal. No one is being accused of witchcraft (I will concede that some are wondering how a few of the photos were taken, however!)

Taking the second definition..I would say that this definition applies more to those that are accusing others of a 'witch hunt'. Those that are bringing to light error in the entire HOF prorgram are not harassing anyone-if anything..they are going out of their way to be polite! And the very thing that is being discussed is not just a difference of opinion-it's a difference of right and wrong. Were the rules (as set by CK PROR to the contest) followed? Check box one for yes, box two for No. If you check box one..continue on to the next setp. If, however, box two is marked--that person/entry should be disqualified.

I will even go one step further...those that are bringing these issues to light are being harassed for their differing opinions! They are not going along with the flow/accepted beliefs...and if they question anything with regards to the HOF issue, they are verbally attacked (accued of a witch hunt, questioned why *they* are continuing to keep the issue alive, etc.) In some not so extreme cases--people have been BANNED from several online communities (CKMB included) simply for voicing an opion that was different.

SO..to get back to your post anastasia...bravo for bringing your questions to light! I hope that Bernadette will step up and be able to explain everything as eloquently as you have here.

I hope that CK is paying attention and are taking steps to insure that the 2007 supplement is accurate (contains only those entries that followed the rules).

Thank you!

[bskts4ver]

But stop dragging the rest of the community into this.

Wait a minute.....didn't YOU click on this thread....couldn't YOU just ignore it if YOU didn't want to be dragged into it?

Whether YOU like it or not, this is the exactly where this needs to be discussed, argued, ignored, etc.

If you don't like the topic, don't open the thread. It's pretty simple.

[Kara Marie]

But stop dragging the rest of the community into this.

Wait a minute.....didn't YOU click on this thread....couldn't YOU just ignore it if YOU didn't want to be dragged into it?

Whether YOU like it or not, this is the exactly where this needs to be discussed, argued, ignored, etc.

If you don't like the topic, don't open the thread. It's pretty simple.

In her defense, the title of the thread is pretty vague... I didn't know what to expect when I opened it either!

[HSMom]

But stop dragging the rest of the community into this.

Wait a minute.....didn't YOU click on this thread....couldn't YOU just ignore it if YOU didn't want to be dragged into it?

Whether YOU like it or not, this is the exactly where this needs to be discussed, argued, ignored, etc.

If you don't like the topic, don't open the thread. It's pretty simple.

Um, the subject line doesn't exactly express what the topic will be in this post. It's kind of hard to avoid it when one doesn't even know what it will be before it is opened.

[bskts4ver]

Okay.....I'll give you that...but once opened, it's pretty obvious what the subject was about, but I see it didn't stop the handslappers.

[iScrap]

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[HSMom]

All opinions are welcomed here as long as they are expressed respectfully.

[Grandmascrap]

Be disappointed in CK. Stop participating and stop buying their products. But stop dragging the rest of the community into this. (And, more importantly, it's about a contest so at least go post in the correct forum so those of us who want to can avoid it.)
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I'm sure that by the second sentence of the op, that anyone reading this should have been able to see what the subject of the post was. At that time, the reader could have just gone on to the next post. There are a lot of people here that are interested in this subject. CK may not be aware that there was more than one contestant that had questionable photos. It would be a shame to "resolve" the issue without it actually being resolved and have to start all over again. Get it ALL done at one time. I feel for these contestants, and I feel for CK, but honesty and integrity has to be restored to the scrapbooking community. The scrapbooking community is a much bigger community than the CKMB. It's ok if you want to ignore the problem--other's of us want it taken care of. This is where Brian originally posted his reply, so yes, it is the place to post on this subject.

[scrapper chick]

But I have to say that I am more than a little bit bothered by posts that are written under a new account name.

The new account name may be due to the fact that the person was banned before CK decided what they were going to do regarding the HOF photography rule. To participate again (cuz I'm assuming CK unbanned those that spoke out and were banned by mistake) the person would have to be a new poster.

Not sure if this is what happened..but as a 'new' poster (but long time visitor) I have to stand up and respectfully protest when a comment is made about a newbie!

Thanks!

[scrapper chick]

It would be a shame to "resolve" the issue without it actually being resolved and have to start all over again. Get it ALL done at one time. I feel for these contestants, and I feel for CK, but honesty and integrity has to be restored to the scrapbooking community. The scrapbooking community is a much bigger community than the CKMB. It's ok if you want to ignore the problem--other's of us want it taken care of. This is where Brian originally posted his reply, so yes, it is the place to post on this subject.

I agree!! Letting the entire issue go and consider it resolved is like finding a drop of water on your bathroom floor---you wipe it up, thinking you've solved the problem. But come back later to find your entire basement flooded becaause of a broken pipe. Don't be satisfied that the problem is resolved after one attempt. Most problems aren't.

I also agree that the scrapping community is much bigger than just the CKMB...there are a lot of people interested in how this all pans out--scrappers (will they buy CK product again? Will they enter a CK contest again?), advertisers (is it worth it to advertise in a CK publication any more), and industry analysts (is this the final nail in the scrapping coffin?). The issue needs to be resolved completely before it will go away